Transmission Flush Myths- Busted!
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Try getting a quote from a transmission shop for a fluid exchange. Ask them the price difference for using their lube&services and using just their services.
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your last sentence, i don't quite understand what your saying,,
we can pull the weep plug for a second and get some fluid out to check it,, it takes 5 seconds... its not a guessing game...
I havent seen one that actually forces the fluid more than the normal psi would be.. It would be a ? for a master tech at the dealer your going to...
I wont sell a ws flush and many others wont because its taking your money and ripping you off,,, toyota doesn't recommend it, so I don't do it...
you can tell us you want it done and I will do what you want, but I will never recommend it unless the truck is used for commercial reasons, like pulling trailers, or has a work body/bed on it etc..
changing your engine oil may be better to do every 2500,, but should you, or should you stick with the 5000 intervals the factory who built the car recommends...???
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SO how often do you recommend WS TRANSMISSION FLUID flush in a truck used for city stop and go traffic?
A dealership that I know wont do FLUSH at all on 07 Tundra with 6 speed and states TOYOTA only recommends to check!?!
Another dealer states every 60,000 miles.
Am I confused on what is best, YES!
A dealership that I know wont do FLUSH at all on 07 Tundra with 6 speed and states TOYOTA only recommends to check!?!
Another dealer states every 60,000 miles.
Am I confused on what is best, YES!
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well a long time ago, i guess my car did the same thing...but it wasnt my transmission, my clutch was burnt to hell!
It's just about the same thing. The term "powerflush" is just a marketing thing. As stated correctly before in this thread, any flush just uses the transmission's own pump pressure to send the fluid in and out of the cooler lines, there's no additional pressure from a machine involved.
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The fact that Transdude posts this information for the 2nd Gen Tundra section is awesome and I think totally relevant. Our cars are new enough to not have those years of damage due to transmission neglect. I say flush em'! I've flushed my Lexus a few times and its now 9 years old, no prob!
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nicely put,, exactly....
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If the "flush" is this benign why is it that A TOYOTA DEALERSHIP refuses to perform it and tells me to call TOYOTA to confirm that it is a check only item with WS?
I understand using the tranny to push fluid through, but this dealer will not do it, AT ALL.
They tell me that they don't want headaches if tranny fails!
THEY INSIST THAT HEY ARE IN BUSINESS to make money, but not for transmission fluid flush.
They were honest to tell me about seeing quite a few AIP replacements come in, especially on company trucks and noted this appears to be a real issue. They also expressed the 5/60,000 increase in AIP warranty. I said thanks but I bought the 7/100,000 AND DEPENDS on how these trucks hold up or how TOYOTA fixes their glitches, whether I keep it past 90,000.
I have asked other master techs at 2 other dealerships and they get that nervous look when replying that "I STILL HAVE TIME BEFORE FLUSHING in miles". I was at 30,000 and now at 36,000. By the time someone figures it out at dealership I'll BE AT 100,000 AN NO ONE WILL WANT TO FLUSH DUE TO PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN!
This is reason I started asking 3 years ago and guys who know how will be doing drain and fill on their own.
I never had this problem with my previous truck due to dipstick/fill hole. Performed 4 drain and fills in that one for 200,000 miles and never a concern with tranny, NEVER!
This is the new truck market but I hate it cause we buy them cause they are serviceable and last, these new trucks are not and designed to fall apart.
In conclusion: I want the dip stick back and a serviceable tranny!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like differences of opinion from master techs at different dealerships.
I understand using the tranny to push fluid through, but this dealer will not do it, AT ALL.
They tell me that they don't want headaches if tranny fails!
THEY INSIST THAT HEY ARE IN BUSINESS to make money, but not for transmission fluid flush.
They were honest to tell me about seeing quite a few AIP replacements come in, especially on company trucks and noted this appears to be a real issue. They also expressed the 5/60,000 increase in AIP warranty. I said thanks but I bought the 7/100,000 AND DEPENDS on how these trucks hold up or how TOYOTA fixes their glitches, whether I keep it past 90,000.
I have asked other master techs at 2 other dealerships and they get that nervous look when replying that "I STILL HAVE TIME BEFORE FLUSHING in miles". I was at 30,000 and now at 36,000. By the time someone figures it out at dealership I'll BE AT 100,000 AN NO ONE WILL WANT TO FLUSH DUE TO PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN!
This is reason I started asking 3 years ago and guys who know how will be doing drain and fill on their own.
I never had this problem with my previous truck due to dipstick/fill hole. Performed 4 drain and fills in that one for 200,000 miles and never a concern with tranny, NEVER!
This is the new truck market but I hate it cause we buy them cause they are serviceable and last, these new trucks are not and designed to fall apart.
In conclusion: I want the dip stick back and a serviceable tranny!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like differences of opinion from master techs at different dealerships.
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You do realize this guy doesn't work for Toyota right?
Why do you keep badgering him?
Why do you keep badgering him?
If the "flush" is this benign why is it that A TOYOTA DEALERSHIP refuses to perform it and tells me to call TOYOTA to confirm that it is a check only item with WS?
I understand using the tranny to push fluid through, but this dealer will not do it, AT ALL.
They tell me that they don't want headaches if tranny fails!
THEY INSIST THAT HEY ARE IN BUSINESS to make money, but not for transmission fluid flush.
They were honest to tell me about seeing quite a few AIP replacements come in, especially on company trucks and noted this appears to be a real issue. They also expressed the 5/60,000 increase in AIP warranty. I said thanks but I bought the 7/100,000 AND DEPENDS on how these trucks hold up or how TOYOTA fixes their glitches, whether I keep it past 90,000.
I have asked other master techs at 2 other dealerships and they get that nervous look when replying that "I STILL HAVE TIME BEFORE FLUSHING in miles". I was at 30,000 and now at 36,000. By the time someone figures it out at dealership I'll BE AT 100,000 AN NO ONE WILL WANT TO FLUSH DUE TO PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN!
This is reason I started asking 3 years ago and guys who know how will be doing drain and fill on their own.
I never had this problem with my previous truck due to dipstick/fill hole. Performed 4 drain and fills in that one for 200,000 miles and never a concern with tranny, NEVER!
This is the new truck market but I hate it cause we buy them cause they are serviceable and last, these new trucks are not and designed to fall apart.
In conclusion: I want the dip stick back and a serviceable tranny!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like differences of opinion from master techs at different dealerships.
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cause thats what he does,, he badgers and calls people (who don't spend all day on here like he does) trolls,, and does nothing positive..
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I still can't figure out why a dealer that changes my oil wont flush the trany is what I am asking?
ANOTHER DEALER is happy to do it, makes me nervous when one says they don't want to take responsibility if tranny blows after flush. That's what I was asking on earlier post.
Not badgering, I haven't called anyone out by name so you misunderstood my post.
ANOTHER DEALER is happy to do it, makes me nervous when one says they don't want to take responsibility if tranny blows after flush. That's what I was asking on earlier post.
Not badgering, I haven't called anyone out by name so you misunderstood my post.
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I am talking about the mastertechs at dealerships I go to.
And to be crystal clear I am not badgering the guy.
And to be crystal clear I am not badgering the guy.
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Where would you find and independent who will work on a 2nd gen?
And if you do and something goes wrong, dealership wont honor warranty. This is why I AM STICKING TO DEALER till warranty is over.
I sat with head of service department talking transmissions and he told that they wont do a flush at all no mater how low miles because of concern of failure. This conversation was during oil change time at dealer.
ALL my above questions were on this matter.
And if you do and something goes wrong, dealership wont honor warranty. This is why I AM STICKING TO DEALER till warranty is over.
I sat with head of service department talking transmissions and he told that they wont do a flush at all no mater how low miles because of concern of failure. This conversation was during oil change time at dealer.
ALL my above questions were on this matter.
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I don't know why they act the way they do at the dealers you have been at... prob cause they dont want to get in trouble....
as toyota employees we aren't supposed to be "upselling " trans flushes on ws cars per a tsp that was released ,,, it was going out of control for a while as the dealers scheduled services included the trans to be flushed/ or drained and filled when the ws cars first came out...
but since the service menus have changed as toyota doesn't want us selling the ws services on low mileage cars...
I will be doing mine at 60k.. Why ?? cause I personally don't think any fluid is lifetime. And to do a flush is a hell of a lot cheaper than a trans...
Any dealer should do it for you if you request it though,, i don't see why they wouldnt....
i hope that helps..?
as toyota employees we aren't supposed to be "upselling " trans flushes on ws cars per a tsp that was released ,,, it was going out of control for a while as the dealers scheduled services included the trans to be flushed/ or drained and filled when the ws cars first came out...
but since the service menus have changed as toyota doesn't want us selling the ws services on low mileage cars...
I will be doing mine at 60k.. Why ?? cause I personally don't think any fluid is lifetime. And to do a flush is a hell of a lot cheaper than a trans...
Any dealer should do it for you if you request it though,, i don't see why they wouldnt....
i hope that helps..?
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I think what they are saying about trans failure is bull cocky,, sounds like they really don't know what they are saying.. Ive done ws flushes and never heard of a failure after....
most failures I have seen are with some purple and orange colored fluids,, I don;t know the brands but the trannies they were in slipped like crazy 2- 3 3-4 shifts...
most failures I have seen are with some purple and orange colored fluids,, I don;t know the brands but the trannies they were in slipped like crazy 2- 3 3-4 shifts...
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That was my question and I have a thread going on 3 years on this matter.
One other dealer told me 60,000 and said flush not drain and fill.
IF I go in for a flush at 40-50,000 miles with a non towing truck, that should not blow my tranny. There are quite a few guys here that say drain and refill only, but if a flush is a gentle just pushing the fluid through exchange why are they so fearfull of it when done at low miles?
Our crossover SUBARU for example is supposed to go in every 30,000 for a drain and refill as per SUBARU corp.
One other dealer told me 60,000 and said flush not drain and fill.
IF I go in for a flush at 40-50,000 miles with a non towing truck, that should not blow my tranny. There are quite a few guys here that say drain and refill only, but if a flush is a gentle just pushing the fluid through exchange why are they so fearfull of it when done at low miles?
Our crossover SUBARU for example is supposed to go in every 30,000 for a drain and refill as per SUBARU corp.
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drain and fills really dont do much,, the tranny holds about 10 qts so doing a drain and fill with only 3 is kind of a waste... as I'm sure you know..
and just ask what machine they use? nobody should be using one that actually blows fluid into the trans..
I would say 60k.. really this fluid is awesome,, I have seen very few failures with it,,, kinda like the maytag man with tranny's...
but ask them to NOT put any bg or other snake oil crap additives in you trans,, just the fluid.. some dealers push the snake oil... I wouldnt put in in a moped...
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