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I'm not trying to start a huge import vs. domestic fight here, and I don't mean to bash the new Tundra at all. I'm just asking a serious question...

Why are so many of you so confident in the 2007's reliability? It seems (to me) that Toyota kind of gets a "pass" whenever a problem arises on one of their vehicles. Yet if a GM, Ford, or whatever has a problem, they're immediately blasted as being shoddy build quality, poorly designed, etc. I LOVE my 06 Tundra, but the 1st gen Tundra wasn't exactly a model of reliability. Just looking at the first 2 pages of the 1st gen forum, there are 3 instances of transmission failure (at relatively low mileage). Some responses to those threads indicate it's a common problem. Then there is the ball joint recall, driveline "clunks" at stops, brake issues, window rattling, etc on various year models. There is a thread in this forum indicating piston slap as a "common" trait of some 4.7 and now 5.7 V8s. Of course, I can't speak to the total accuracy of this, or how widespread it is, more than anyone else.

Yet just browsing threads here in the Tundra forums, some people completely trash domestic trucks and put the Tundra (especially the 07) on a pedestal, and tout its reliability, even though it still hasn't proven it. All makes of trucks tend to have their particular problems, and the first Tundra wasn't any different. Still, a lot of the posts here seem to be made by people who have a desire on some level to need to defend Toyota in ANY situation. They seem to treat the ball joint recall as a small unimportant issue, but I know that if it had been GM doing a ball joint recall, you wouldn't hear the end of the GM-bashing.

So again, what makes you SO sure of the reliability of the 07?

I don't mean to question anyone's purchase of an 07 by the way- I think it is a very nice truck, and I've definitely turned my head in traffic when I see one pass by :D .
 

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I'm not trying to start a huge import vs. domestic fight here, and I don't mean to bash the new Tundra at all. I'm just asking a serious question...

Why are so many of you so confident in the 2007's reliability? It seems (to me) that Toyota kind of gets a "pass" whenever a problem arises on one of their vehicles. Yet if a GM, Ford, or whatever has a problem, they're immediately blasted as being shoddy build quality, poorly designed, etc. I LOVE my 06 Tundra, but the 1st gen Tundra wasn't exactly a model of reliability. Just looking at the first 2 pages of the 1st gen forum, there are 3 instances of transmission failure (at relatively low mileage). Some responses to those threads indicate it's a common problem. Then there is the ball joint recall, driveline "clunks" at stops, brake issues, window rattling, etc on various year models. There is a thread in this forum indicating piston slap as a "common" trait of some 4.7 and now 5.7 V8s. Of course, I can't speak to the total accuracy of this, or how widespread it is, more than anyone else.

Yet just browsing threads here in the Tundra forums, some people completely trash domestic trucks and put the Tundra (especially the 07) on a pedestal, and tout its reliability, even though it still hasn't proven it. All makes of trucks tend to have their particular problems, and the first Tundra wasn't any different. Still, a lot of the posts here seem to be made by people who have a desire on some level to need to defend Toyota in ANY situation. They seem to treat the ball joint recall as a small unimportant issue, but I know that if it had been GM doing a ball joint recall, you wouldn't hear the end of the GM-bashing.

So again, what makes you SO sure of the reliability of the 07?

I don't mean to question anyone's purchase of an 07 by the way- I think it is a very nice truck, and I've definitely turned my head in traffic when I see one pass by :D .
I guess that only time will tell for sure. I have always been afraid to purchase 1rst year major redesigns with new engines, etc. But thank goodness for Toyota most folks are not like me.
 

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The fact that Toyota wants to make this their second flagship vehicle behind the Camry and not just another truck makes me think they put this thing through everything and the kitchen sink before letting us have it.
 

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I highly doubt Toyota is going to mess up one of their most important product launches in their history.

Having said that, it is important to keep in mind that a good deal of this truck was engineered by former Ford and GM engineers. Before someone lashes out at me; I'm an American engineer myself and know that American engineers are among the best in the world. However, Toyota's high quality engineering in the past came as a by-product of their obsessive culture. You had engineers putting in absolutely insane work hours to get things right. I don't think the American engineers or even the current generation of Japanese engineers have that same level of obsessive dedication.
 

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My 5 year/75000 mile extended warranty and the fact that I only put about 5k a year on it?... :D
 

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I highly doubt Toyota is going to be messing up one of their most important product launches in their history.

Having said that, it is important to keep in mind that a good deal of this truck was engineered by former Ford and GM engineers. Before someone lashes out at me; I'm an American engineer myself and know that American engineers are among the best in the world. However, Toyota's high quality engineering in the past came as a by-product of their obsessive culture. You had engineers putting in absolutely insane work hours to get things right. I don't think the American engineers or even the current generation of Japanese engineers have that same level of obsessive dedication.

I believe you are correct. And this is not a dig at the 07 Tundra because I am referring to my 03. But simply put, since Japanese began building their vehicles in America, Mexico, Canada, etc. general reliability has decreased. Case in point in my own situation, although certainly not scientific, my 82 Toyota truck and 86 Toyota 4runner both went over 100,000miles with only oil changes every 3000 and basic maintenance. My 03 Tundra goes into the shop about every 5000 to 10000 miles for something, usually minor but still irritating. Common denominator here is the 82 and 86 were made in Japan, my 03 is made in Indiana. Wish they would go back to Japan and find some more of those obsessively dedicated engineers.
 

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Nothing is life is certian. I bought mine hopeing for the best. I wanted something different.

As far as me worrying, I have owned 5 Toyotas now and have had very little problems with them due to the manufacturer. Now my own lack of maintanence, that is another story. Sure Toyota will have thier share of recalls but at least the stand behind their products 100%. Example: my 1990 Toyota Pickup had a recall on some steering parts, last year. I got a card from Toyota, called my dealer and the problem was repaired/replaced at no charge. Not bad on a 16 year old vehical.

My friends and family have had many domestics. They have their problems, but the are covered at under warrantee as well. Truth be told, I was leaning towards a Ford Diesel until Toyota released some information on the new Tundra, so I waited.

The Tundra is a better fit for me at this time in my life.
 

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I'm not trying to start a huge import vs. domestic fight here, and I don't mean to bash the new Tundra at all. I'm just asking a serious question...

Why are so many of you so confident in the 2007's reliability? It seems (to me) that Toyota kind of gets a "pass" whenever a problem arises on one of their vehicles. Yet if a GM, Ford, or whatever has a problem, they're immediately blasted as being shoddy build quality, poorly designed, etc. I LOVE my 06 Tundra, but the 1st gen Tundra wasn't exactly a model of reliability. Just looking at the first 2 pages of the 1st gen forum, there are 3 instances of transmission failure (at relatively low mileage). Some responses to those threads indicate it's a common problem. Then there is the ball joint recall, driveline "clunks" at stops, brake issues, window rattling, etc on various year models. There is a thread in this forum indicating piston slap as a "common" trait of some 4.7 and now 5.7 V8s. Of course, I can't speak to the total accuracy of this, or how widespread it is, more than anyone else.

Yet just browsing threads here in the Tundra forums, some people completely trash domestic trucks and put the Tundra (especially the 07) on a pedestal, and tout its reliability, even though it still hasn't proven it. All makes of trucks tend to have their particular problems, and the first Tundra wasn't any different. Still, a lot of the posts here seem to be made by people who have a desire on some level to need to defend Toyota in ANY situation. They seem to treat the ball joint recall as a small unimportant issue, but I know that if it had been GM doing a ball joint recall, you wouldn't hear the end of the GM-bashing.

So again, what makes you SO sure of the reliability of the 07?

I don't mean to question anyone's purchase of an 07 by the way- I think it is a very nice truck, and I've definitely turned my head in traffic when I see one pass by :D .
Toyota has been well known for reliability & resale. This is why we continue to beleive that the 5.7 will be as well. Even though it has not been proven yet. My brother and i each got the 1st gen tundra's & had virtually no problems. Other than minor brake issues, & cheap a$$ batteries that leaked all over. Neither had any other issues. The clunk i beleive was because people didn't lube the driveshaft enough. Ball joint recall, & window rattle when open slightly.
Never had any piston slap on any toyota i've owned.
The reason so many of us trash domestics is because they deserve it. Hey, most of us have given them several chance's and they've blown it. These people will defend toyota 100% because of it.
Yes, the balljoint recall was BS, simply BS. From what i understand, it had something to do with installation of said balljoints....don't know for sure. I'm sure it had something to do with trucks being made in Indiana vs. Japan. Japan made rigs have always been put together better IMO.
I did get a new oil dipstick in the mail, but i didn't worry at all about it cause i always tend to overfill with oil to be safe (better cooling).
Well, the 5.7 is the 4.6 lexus motor beefed up, so going off of that, i would say the 4.6 has been a very reliable motor. And the 4.7 has been very good as well.

Most of US toyota fans have had a LOT of history behind what we beleive to be one of the most reliable vehicles made. We don't just blow smoke.

All i can say is, i hope the reliablity will continue. And i think it will, no, I am very confident that it will.
 

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There is nothing certain here. However, you have to look at the history of quality for Toyota versus GM/Ford (inasmuch as my Ram friends hate to admit it, Dodge is a German company, not an American one). Conventional wisdom says first year cars always have problems and that has been an (unfortunate) legacy of GM & Ford. Take Toyota's shot at a hybrid. I really thought Toyota would screw this up--a car with a totally NEW power plant. Recall there were all kinds of questions about "the battery", and it was $3k when you had to replace it. If you look at reliability data on the Prius, the first year car shows "above average reliability" and in fact is one of Toyota's highest quality cars. I think the corporate philosophy is different and the quality shows. I had a '01 Tundra. All I ever did is replace the battery, and brake pads. Really quality is a numbers game. There will ALWAYS be people with Toyotas that have lots of problems and the will ALWAYS be people with GMs/Fords that have lots of problems. The difference is it is presumed there are FEWER people with Toyotas that have lots of problems (and I think reliability data show this). On the other hand, I don't believe GM & Ford deserve all the bad quality reputation that they have (especially at TundraSolutions.com!)--GM has a good pickup in the new Sierra/Silverado and the Ford Fusion is an above average car. However, over the course of that past 20 years or so, GM and Ford built themselves a poor quality image that they are trying like h#ll to get rid of. I gave up on GM when my '89 S-10Blazer broke down on the way home from the dealer (brand new) and had dozens of problems, and it culminated when GM told me it was a "maintenance problem of mine". I have not totally given up on GM and Ford--I did drive the Sierra and F-150 before I bought my '07 Tundra. GM has to be proud of the Sierra, but I still don't trust their quality. It is a big hole that they both have to get out of--and frankly flag-waving and apple pie won't do it for me. I have been with Toyota and Honda since '93, and won't change until real quality improvements are evident (but I always look).
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I owned an 07' Caddy Escalade (GM product) that had major wind noise which comes from misaligned doors/bad welds....thats right, a $70K vehicle that has bad door welds and misaligned doors that cause wind to rush in (there is a current TSB on this problem). Also, the "new" 6 speed tranny was not impressive nor smooth. I also owned an 06' Dodge Ram that I had several problems with. Also owned an 05' Ford F150 and 07' Nissan Titan (both were BIG pieces of CRAP). Having owned these vehicles within the last couple of years, I can tell you that the 07' Tundra is smoother, more refined, and has better build quality. Of course, I have only owned my Tundra for 3 weeks, so this is my initial opinion. I think GM quality is getting worse...not better. Ford is getting ready to file for bankruptcy and maybe close shop...Dodge is selling their company...and Nissan quality is very poor. Toyota is getting ready to surpass GM and take over the #1 spot which tells me that they are selling alot of vehicles...and because they are selling more vehicles, they will have more problems reported (but still lower than the domestics). Finally, the Tundra is probably the biggest vehicle launch in Toyota's history...and, I am willing to bet that they did a crap load of research/testing on the 07' before they let it into our hands. Again, it feels very solid and refined. I dont think Toyota has dropped the ball here....if anything, they have taken over first place in the pickup truck market and the others are in big trouble.
 

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I'm not trying to start a huge import vs. domestic fight here, and I don't mean to bash the new Tundra at all. I'm just asking a serious question...

Why are so many of you so confident in the 2007's reliability? It seems (to me) that Toyota kind of gets a "pass" whenever a problem arises on one of their vehicles. Yet if a GM, Ford, or whatever has a problem, they're immediately blasted as being shoddy build quality, poorly designed, etc. I LOVE my 06 Tundra, but the 1st gen Tundra wasn't exactly a model of reliability. Just looking at the first 2 pages of the 1st gen forum, there are 3 instances of transmission failure (at relatively low mileage). Some responses to those threads indicate it's a common problem. Then there is the ball joint recall, driveline "clunks" at stops, brake issues, window rattling, etc on various year models. There is a thread in this forum indicating piston slap as a "common" trait of some 4.7 and now 5.7 V8s. Of course, I can't speak to the total accuracy of this, or how widespread it is, more than anyone else.

Yet just browsing threads here in the Tundra forums, some people completely trash domestic trucks and put the Tundra (especially the 07) on a pedestal, and tout its reliability, even though it still hasn't proven it. All makes of trucks tend to have their particular problems, and the first Tundra wasn't any different. Still, a lot of the posts here seem to be made by people who have a desire on some level to need to defend Toyota in ANY situation. They seem to treat the ball joint recall as a small unimportant issue, but I know that if it had been GM doing a ball joint recall, you wouldn't hear the end of the GM-bashing.

So again, what makes you SO sure of the reliability of the 07?

I don't mean to question anyone's purchase of an 07 by the way- I think it is a very nice truck, and I've definitely turned my head in traffic when I see one pass by :D .

For the same reason the new GM truck will be like all the other GMs in the past...............history, that's all we have to go on. If you go see Casino Royale, you'll know pretty much what you'll get, right?
 

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Toyotas are designed and built by people who's top priority is quality, not cradle to the grave "job security and benefits".

My numerous Toyotas have had zero "issues". That's why I
keep buying them including a new '01 and a new '07 Tundra.

The management and union cultures within GM, Ford, and Chrysler do not bode well for the survival of those companies.
 

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You should only judge whether or not it's been a success after it's been out a few years. No one can predict the future. It's much easier to look back at a product run of several years and develope your opinions that way. You can see patterns much easier that way.

I think the Tundra will be a good truck. I also think that if people use it for real work then they will have the same problems domestics do. I have yet to see one being worked yet, so it may be headed towards the same destiny as the previous tundra as a pavement princess. Good point though, if it does have problems, the same problems as a domestic, it will get a free pass and the domestic will be bashed.

I want to hear from the guys who have worked the dog crap out of their truck everyday for a few years. I don't give a damn about the guy with the spit shined, diaper wiped 3 week old truck in his heated garage telling me how great it is because he once hauled a load of mulch to his inlaws house.
 

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History plain and simple. The Detroit3 were way over-confident and arrogant in the way they dealt with the general public about their vehicles -- even doing so today, but not nearly as bad as previous years.
They were considered the "best" because frankly there was no competition. American corporations absolutely love marketing spin but often do not back it up with real substance. As more choice came in the automotive industry, companies like Honda and Toyota emerged with products that, at first did not seem able to compete in the market. But slowly and surely they began to get a foothold by improving quality and letting their products do the talking instead of shooting their mouths off first and producing good product second.
Like a spoiled kid that got their allowance taken away, the Detroit3 are complaining at every turn about their problems and how it is all somebody else's fault. More problems show up in their vehicles and every year they seem to resolve a few of them, but create many others. The market has shown that they don't value reliability and service like their competitors. Nor do they honor agreements such as warranty-related issues in a pleasant way (i.e. making their customers feel like they are doing the dealerships a disservice by having them fix something under warranty).
As a result, customers have largely lost faith in the Detroit3 and don't trust that owning their vehicles won't turn out to be a bad and regrettable experience.
Every year the Detroit3 are shedding market share, plants, and workers. So, it is obvious that they are not perceived as being high quality yet even if they really are. Now that they are becoming more humble and realistic about their situation, they want immediate returns in customer satisfaction, etc. That will be difficult to do as trust remains an issue.
So when GM has a "problem" with their vehicle, people are quick to relegate it to the common history of problems and point and say that things still haven't changed. When Toyota has a problem, people are not as concerned because, again, history shows that at the very least it is probably an anomaly or that people will trust Toyota to come up with a real fix.
In any case, both have earned their reputations based on history. The good thing is that this is constantly readjusted as history tends to continually add layers to it. It is possible that there will be a more favorable attitude to the Detroit3's products if they continue to improve. If not, they will just continue to reinforce the notion of over-priced, under-featured, unreliable vehicles in the eyes of the public... not good!!
 

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I want to hear from the guys who have worked the dog crap out of their truck everyday for a few years. I don't give a damn about the guy with the spit shined, diaper wiped 3 week old truck in his heated garage telling me how great it is because he once hauled a load of mulch to his inlaws house.
This almost tops another hilarious statement I've heard, it was: "only off-roading most SUV's see is when the owner drives over the flower beds in the drive thru lane at a Starbucks":devil:

That unfortunately describes what many truck owners call "work" today on lots of websites. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer to drive a truck everyday even if it was just to the office, factory, pull my trailer/boat or whatever like many of the Tundra owner's here, but I'm in the market for a truck to use at work everyday plain & simple, and am cruising this and another domestic maker's UG's forum website to evaluate the two options. I posed a question here about using it as a work truck and received a small sample of responses.

The other truck is confirmed as a work truck but one with potentially a large number of problems that could result in downtime, i.e. lost revenue.

Right now I'm leaning toward the '07 DC Tundra Limited TRD 4WD for it though. I think it will do it b/c I see a fair number of 1st GEN Tundras used for work (not much towing), but only time will tell as we all know.
 

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I can only talk about my experiences with Toyotas. I tried out ford and chevy but when push came to shove and it was time to shell out the money, I'll take a first year production Toyota over those two handsdown. My First truck was a 1990 toyota dx with the old 22-re pretty much a gas and go truck. When I sold it it had 180K miles and had been roled over @ around 100K. The only mechanical things I replaced were u joints, brake pads/shoes, rear pinion seal, and power stearing pump. My next truck was a 1996 t-100 sold it last week for $5800.00, with about 120K miles. I towed my camper with it, taken it off road many times, all I've ever done to that truck is fill it with gas and change the oil/grease the drivetrain. The only mechinical issues on that truck was the power radio antenna , tierod ends, brake pads and shoes, eshaust, shocks, and battery. On the otherhand, my wifes 2004 chevy trailblazer @ 30-35k miles needed a new waterpump, new shocks/struts, ball joints, abs system isssues, numerous electrical problems, check engine light constantly on and putting out codes that the shop can't diagnose.
She misses her 4runner
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Plain and simple. It's a Toyota! ;)

seriously though...I have bought several Toyotas the first year they came out and have had nothing but good luck. This does not scare me in the least. But if you are not comfortable with it then you should follow your instincts and stay away.

Happy truck hunting

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Toyota's are all me and my family have ever owned. And up until my 05 Tundra I could never find one complaint with any of them. My 05 has really got me looking at domestic trucks after owning it for 2-1/2 years though. Like others have stated when human error is a factor you'll have problems and the more vehicles Toyota puts out there the more problems they will have. I believe that the 07 will be of higher quality than any other truck on the road, but when I'm going to shell out $40K+ for mediocrity why not weigh all the options. Brad.
 
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