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05 Tundra wont start - 4x4 v8

5.7K views 31 replies 15 participants last post by  Tundragotonit  
#1 ·
After 150K miles with my tacoma, I just want a freaking truck I can bond with. Another truck that ALWAYS starts when you want it to, and doesnt need to be in the shop.

I walk out to my truck after class tonight. Its been sitting for maybe 4 hours. Its 25 degrees out, so cold but not that cold. I get in put the key in ignition and turn. There was an f250 sitting next to me with his motor running so I didnt really notice that my truck didnt start. I thought it was running so i put my books in back seat like always do, to give the truck a few min to warm up.

I get in and the tach is sitting at like 50 rpm and all the dash lights are on, and I mean ALL OF THEM. So i shut the key off and everything shuts off. I try again and the same thing happens. I still have the F250 next to me so i cant really hear if the engine is running, but i can feel somthing happening when i turn the key. Almost like the starter is turning the engine but its not catching and its having a REALLY hard time turning. I try two more times and the same thing. I hit the headlights to see if my battery is dead and its bright as normal. I try starting it with the headlights on, they dim slightly but not to the point that the battery is complety drawn down or somthing.

I try a few more times and figure crap. I start digging through the rubbage in the back of the truck to find the 24hr service number only to realize that its sitting at home because I just got the truck back from the dealer the day before. I try a few more times and nothing. I sit there for maybe 5 minutes trying to figure out my plan of attack and then I try it again. It starts but it ran really rough, like it was on 3 cyl or somthing. Then it smooths out and starts running like normal, only a little rougher than usuall.

I drove it home and no CE light. I got it back from an Oil change yesterday, so I checked the oil and it was fine.

Any ideas? Back to the shop it sounds like.

Chris
 
#2 ·
MY old 1996 GMC 4x4 had a bad case of carbon build up in the engine if I remember correctly. I drove it slowly to the repair shop, it had about 200,000 km.... It felt like it was running on few cylinders and could barely rev. Didn't cost much to clean.
 
#3 ·
pagemaster said:
MY old 1996 GMC 4x4 had a bad case of carbon build up in the engine if I remember correctly. I drove it slowly to the repair shop, it had about 200,000 km.... It felt like it was running on few cylinders and could barely rev. Didn't cost much to clean.
2005 Tundra V8 with 5400 Miles. Cant be carbon unless its got some serious issues.

Chirs
 
#6 ·
I also have 5,000 mi. on my V8 Tundra, and this has happened to me 3 times. Each time it had only been sitting for an hour or two and not really cold out. It kind of freaked me out when the starter kept cranking after I let off the key, I guess it has some kind of auto start. After trying again it would start kind of roughly almost like it was flooded. Each time it happened, ofcourse all guys from work were standing there and razzed me about my new truck. But it hasn't done it in the last 3,000 mi., so knock on wood. If anybody has any explanation, please let us know.
 
#7 ·
he truck does have an autostart. Was you turn the key, you can let go and the truck will start itself. Also, once the truck is running you can turn the key and nothing will happen. The starter is disabled.

Sounds to me like you aren't getting a good spark in all the cylinders. Even if you fire the engine on just a portion of cylinders, if you have good spark then they should all be firing.

I'm no mechanic and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so take my opinion for what it is worth....
 
#8 ·
I had this same thing happen to me twice so far and I think I may have found out what the problem was. When my truck was parked I was low on gas like maybe an 1/8 of a tank and I parked on a little decline where the rear end of the truck was a little bit higher than the front. I simply put my truck in neutral and got on level ground and it started. Not absolutely sure that was the problem with the truck not getting enough gas to start but I havent had any more problems now that I have at least a 1/2 tank at all times.
 
#9 ·
same thing happened to mine, it only had 57 miles on it at the time, has not done it since
 
#10 ·
The first time it happened, I was on an incline, but the other two times I was on flat ground. I never have less than 1/3 tank of gas. No rhyme or reason. It's like the engine's computer didn't get something right for a start-up.
 
#11 ·
Once in awhile my 2000 will start up and then immediately die, after I start it again it will run a little rough for a minute and then be fine, has never failed to start for me eventually though so I have never worried too much about it. Seems like Toyota may have a computer/programming problem, would have thought they would have fixed something like that by now.
 
#13 ·
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I had 3/4 tank of gas and I was parked on a level lot. I am going to run it to the dealer to see what happens. At least I can document the problem.

Thanks,

Chris
 
#15 ·
jsodep5338 said:
Let us know what they tell you, if you dont mind.

Will do. My guess is that they will be UTL. The service guy basicly told me that without a CE light there isn't much they can do. They are going to look it over though and get back to me.

It started twice this morning just fine. I am getting quite a bit of vibration through the gas pedal, but its probably just me being critial.

I will post what ever they find out.

Chris
 
#16 ·
Yeah it must be an 05 thing because mine did it once last year shortly after I bought it. It just kept cranking for what seemed like 20 seconds and I got worried. I tried the second time and it started BUT like everyone else said it ran kind of rough for the first 30 seconds or so like it was flooded or something. I did bother me but has not done it since.:confused:
 
#17 ·
a couple of times i have turned mine over and it is almost like battery was dead. were the truck didnt quite catch ,then all of a sudden it did catch and it started. if this makes any sence at all . i still havn't figured out what the hell makes it do this but it has happened two or three times in the 13 months i've owned it.other then that the truck has been flawless @ 5300 mi. not sure these problems are related but , i do wonder if there is a pattern here.
 
#18 ·
Got a call from the dealer last night that they needed to keep my truck over night. Just got a message so I didn't get to speak to them. I called this morning to checkin and they said that my truck just got done.

Apparently there is a TSB for this problem that relates to a fuel pump replacemnt, "new fuel pressure gasket", and some kind of new control module. Keep in mind that I was talking to a service advissor not a tech, so this may be BS. I will post the TSB when I get the invoice.

Just glad they did somthing. Makes me wory a little less.

Chris
 
#19 ·
CMB1998 said:
Got a call from the dealer last night that they needed to keep my truck over night. Just got a message so I didn't get to speak to them. I called this morning to checkin and they said that my truck just got done.

Apparently there is a TSB for this problem that relates to a fuel pump replacemnt, "new fuel pressure gasket", and some kind of new control module. Keep in mind that I was talking to a service advissor not a tech, so this may be BS. I will post the TSB when I get the invoice.

Just glad they did somthing. Makes me wory a little less.

Chris
For anyone that is interested the TSB is number EG043-05. Published on September 28th, 2005.

Chris
 
#21 ·
CMB1998 said:
For anyone that is interested the TSB is number EG043-05. Published on September 28th, 2005.

Chris
i was at the dealer this morning to get an inspection. showed him the tsb number and inquired about a possible fix. the service guy tells me that toyota will not pay for the fix unless you are actually experienceing a problem at the time. am i getting the run around and some bs or is this how a tsb actually works. i asked him in the future , if a problem does occur. if it will be covered under warranty ? he suggested i call back tomorrow after he has had a chance to talk to a toyota rep. is this all common procedure ? is a tsb different in terms of a recall ? some one knowledgeable please advise. thanks blitz .
 
#22 ·
blitzburghnut said:
i was at the dealer this morning to get an inspection. showed him the tsb number and inquired about a possible fix. the service guy tells me that toyota will not pay for the fix unless you are actually experienceing a problem at the time. am i getting the run around and some bs or is this how a tsb actually works. i asked him in the future , if a problem does occur. if it will be covered under warranty ? he suggested i call back tomorrow after he has had a chance to talk to a toyota rep. is this all common procedure ? is a tsb different in terms of a recall ? some one knowledgeable please advise. thanks blitz .
A TSB is different then a recall (or Campaign in Toyota speak). A Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) is a communication between Toyota and its dealerships that can serve as an update to Toyota publications, describe parts updates, or relay enhanced or new service procedures. Service procedures may explain diagnostic steps, implementation of recommended updates, or how to perform certain repairs.

Repairs that are outlined in a TSB are usually only performed when a customer reports a specific problem with their vehicle and the TSB identifies a fix/solution to that specific problem.

Typical warranty info outlined in a TSB:

Applicable Warranty*:
This repair is covered under the Toyota Comprehensive Warranty. This warranty is in effect for 36 months or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s in-service date.
* Warranty application is limited to correction of a problem based upon a customer’s specific complaint.
 
#24 ·
but anyways, i just got back from visiting my old buddy, there 2 separate problems, one is in sub-freezing ambient air temp, technical service buletin #eg043-05 which says to r and r the fuel subptank number 1

and the other tsb no. eg052-06 = intermitent start whether cold or hot camshaft position sensor assembly, anyways i have to go back to work, i'll try to post more info later, or if you want the tsb, email me you email or fax and i'll try to fax it, if you are under 36k mile then your in luck and its covered, but both instances should have recorded a soft cold in your computer
 
#26 ·
Once in awhile my 2000 will start up and then immediately die, after I start it again it will run a little rough for a minute and then be fine, has never failed to start for me eventually though so I have never worried too much about it. Seems like Toyota may have a computer/programming problem, would have thought they would have fixed something like that by now.
I think you've got something there. The early Tundras had a weird quirk with starting sometimes. Some sharp guys here at TS figured it out. If you put the key in the ignition and turned the key to start too fast, the computer was slow to get all the parameters for starting, so commonly..... the truck would start, then stall and on restart would run rough for a minute. It had something to do with a slow (cheap) microprocessor. My 2000 tundra did this and I found the fix here at TS.

The "fix" was to turn the key on, but hesitate for a second before cranking.
I still do this today with my 05 Tundra .......out of habit.

We may still have the same issue, just newer tundras have the "auto-start"
feature. then again, it may be something all-together different.

RE