[Breathing Borla]

Personally, I think too much is made about whose truck has the most towing/torque/HP. I would venture that the majority of owners don't push their trucks to the point where any of that matters.

Nah, I like my 395hp/407lbs

cool thing is it gets 21 highway to go with it, HEHE

 

[nizmoz]

Yea it was mentioned in that one video posted here that was like an hour long with the white Tundra sitting inside of a building.

Hmm... Engine updates would be news to me. I know the tweaked the suspension, but I don't know anything about engine.


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[testerdahl]

Yea it was mentioned in that one video posted here that was like an hour long with the white Tundra sitting inside of a building.

You must mean the Autoline interview. I cut it to be just 30 mins. Thinking more about it, he did say something quickly about tweaking the engine, but I really think that was less engine more ECU adjustments to shifting. I would say the bigger news is that there are working on different rear ends from Hino and a new 8-speed transmission, most likely from Aisin (the same transmission that is in the Lexus RX 350 F Sport).

New Tundra Transmission and Differential Ratios Coming - Better MPG | Tundra Headquarters Blog

 

[testerdahl]

Nah, I like my 395hp/407lbs

cool thing is it gets 21 highway to go with it, HEHE

LOL! I said "majority" not "odd balls."

 

[USAF.2012]

I think you missed the point. The trucks can't hold 60 period with that weight so obviously they won't make it to the top of the hill in the same amount of time. So whichever can hold the speed better obviously is the truck that can tow better (at least in the hills)

With this new test you are correct the trucks aren't going to hold 60, but the previous tests, with the lighter weight, the trucks all pretty much held 60. Only difference in time was in part do to who accelerated faster and if any one had to slow down for traffic. They would be better showing a flow chart with them trying to maintain a speed (60), avg RPMs, throttle position and how each changed at different legs of the course. Then if they had an accurate way to measure tranny temps, engine temps, exhaust temps...etc to compare to show which truck mechanically handled the course better....kind of like the brake test.

 

[pursuit2550]

I have a question, why would they do this test in a area with such high altitude? Reason I ask is because if you are going to do a test in this part of the wood the keep everything equal as possible, i.e engine-N/A not turbo charged, which gives ford a big advantage.
Another thing I dont understand, everyone keep on with the MPGs. Lets take Breathing Borlas 21 mpg and compare with Tundras.
21 mpg (uses 715 gals for 15,000 miles@ 3.20= 2288
18 mpg (uses 834 gals =2668
Difference= 380
Divide that by 12 and its $30 more over a month.
Now Breathing Borla bought what he bought for his own reasons, thats great that he wantted to try something diff, but for people to say that Toyota needs to do something about MPGs is ridiculous. Look at all the ecoboost people that are pissed because it doesnt do what Ford said it would, but yet they (Ford)still claims to have the best MPGs of any 1/2 ton truck, sorry i forgot Chevy beat them by an unprecedented 1 MPG. And if you even get 23 MPG that Chevy claims it get its only $579 more a year over Toyota.

 

[Breathing Borla]

Ya you don't buy any of these things for mpg, that's for sure. In my case I liked everything else about the truck, just so happens it has more power and Better mpg which I'm not going to complain about. But again, I think your right about a few mpg if that's the only factor.

 

[testerdahl]

I have a question, why would they do this test in a area with such high altitude? Reason I ask is because if you are going to do a test in this part of the wood the keep everything equal as possible, i.e engine-N/A not turbo charged, which gives ford a big advantage.
Another thing I dont understand, everyone keep on with the MPGs. Lets take Breathing Borlas 21 mpg and compare with Tundras.
21 mpg (uses 715 gals for 15,000 miles@ 3.20= 2288
18 mpg (uses 834 gals =2668
Difference= 380
Divide that by 12 and its $30 more over a month.
Now Breathing Borla bought what he bought for his own reasons, thats great that he wantted to try something diff, but for people to say that Toyota needs to do something about MPGs is ridiculous. Look at all the ecoboost people that are pissed because it doesnt do what Ford said it would, but yet they (Ford)still claims to have the best MPGs of any 1/2 ton truck, sorry i forgot Chevy beat them by an unprecedented 1 MPG. And if you even get 23 MPG that Chevy claims it get its only $579 more a year over Toyota.

They do the tests in Colorado because that's where they live. For the record, Roman lives about 20 minutes north of me.

Everybody keeps talking about MPGs, not because of the small price difference that you point out, it is more about bragging rights and consumer perception. Flat out, consumers want better MPGs in trucks and manufactures HAVE to respond to this. GM responded with a new engine, Ram is responding with a diesel, Ford will respond with their 2015 model (dropping a bunch of weight), Nissan is twiddling their thumbs (LOL!) and Toyota missed the boat. That is the story, Toyota stood pat and they need to do something to remain competitive.

Consumers are saying, "You have a large, dependable engine that can tow 10,000+lbs - great, what's the MPG?" Not ALL consumers, but a good chunk of them are saying that.

 

[nizmoz]

Ford F-150 EcoBoost takes on Nissan, Chevy & the Ike Gauntlet 2.0 Mega Tow Test (Episode 2) - YouTube

Part 2 - F150 Ecoboost

 

[nizmoz]

Okay this last video is BS. Bunch of idiots. 600+ degrees on the front brakes of the F150, 300~ in the back and again 79 degrees on the trailer. They don't have a clue how to set the trailer brake controllers. Then they cut off a car behind them due to a 18 wheeler pulling in front of them, AND they went way above the speed limit from the start when before they would not allow any truck to go over 60 including the Titan which could go over 60 at the beginning.

Oh and they DIDN'T TURN ON TOW MODE till like 1/4 way up the Gauntlet. Really?

 

[nizmoz]

Temps were really hot as well.

 

[nizmoz]

More digging these guys pulled a 10k load with a 7300 lb weight MAX capacity for this model F150. The guys obviously have NO CLUE how to figure out what weight the trucks are as they said 9600lb in the video.

DETAILS guys....

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/13flrv&tt_f150.pdf

Bottom has a (5) Limited. 3.5 Ecoboost on the left has a (5) two of them. 4x2 is 7500 lb, the 4x4 is 7300lb.

Terrible.

 

[crc12RWCM]

Temps were really hot as well.

But still within the Normal range...

 

[low c1500]

Towing at extreme elevation is a retarded way to compare trucks. Why not find a hill at 20,000 ft and let the turbo F-150 do even better, it might only loose 30% HP at 20,000 ft, and a NA motor might lose 75% HP. Compare the Ford 5.0 and 6.2 motors.

 

[Breathing Borla]

Okay this last video is BS. Bunch of idiots. 600+ degrees on the front brakes of the F150, 300~ in the back and again 79 degrees on the trailer. They don't have a clue how to set the trailer brake controllers. Then they cut off a car behind them due to a 18 wheeler pulling in front of them, AND they went way above the speed limit from the start when before they would not allow any truck to go over 60 including the Titan which could go over 60 at the beginning.

Oh and they DIDN'T TURN ON TOW MODE till like 1/4 way up the Gauntlet. Really?

Glad your seeing the light. Kinda funny how the trailer brakes are always 78 degrees while the truck brakes are boiling??

I'm telling you these guys if they keep it up are going to run out of luck and hurt someone

 

[low c1500]

Glad your seeing the light. Kinda funny how the trailer brakes are always 78 degrees while the truck brakes are boiling??

I'm telling you these guys if they keep it up are going to run out of luck and hurt someone

Your correct, but IMO a trucks tow rating should factor in a loss of trailer brakes, and still tow its rating safely. I think the Tundra with its over sized brakes and hi end calipers does this fine for its 10,xxx lb rating. Once you look into the tiny and cheap F-150 brakes with plastic caliper pistons, the F-150 being able to tow what it claims, 11,xxx (in a trailer brake fail situation) becomes very, very scary.

 

[goldtown]

Glad your seeing the light. Kinda funny how the trailer brakes are always 78 degrees while the truck brakes are boiling??

I'm telling you these guys if they keep it up are going to run out of luck and hurt someone

At least they're consistent . That way we can compare which trucks have the best brakes.

 

[Time4change]

Your correct, but IMO a trucks tow rating should factor in a loss of trailer brakes, and still tow its rating safely. I think the Tundra with its over sized brakes and hi end calipers does this fine for its 10,xxx lb rating. Once you look into the tiny and cheap F-150 brakes with plastic caliper pistons, the F-150 being able to tow what it claims, 11,xxx (in a trailer brake fail situation) becomes very, very scary.

I think we've gone over this before.

we both agree that the tundra has better hardware regarding brakes.

however, based on the temps of those hubs, I'm going to out on a limb and say those trailer brakes may not have even been applied at any time during that joke of a test.

the ford brakes did quite well imho.