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#1 ·
I've recently priced a Line-X bedliner for my truck, and I was a bit shocked at the price. The local place wanted $408, after taxes and $20 discount to do it. That was a bit more than I expected. I have yet to get a price from the Rhinolinings place right up the street, but I expect it to be around the same price range. One thing I do know of is there is a do-it-yourself kit(s) available to do your own bedliner for about a fraction of the price (about half, including all materials/equipment required). I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these kits and has had good luck with it. Thanks in advance.
 
#2 ·
I just had my 04 bedliner spayed on. It was done by Rhino Lining.

They quoted me a price of $325.00. Approx 1/4" thick on the bed and 1/8" on the walls. I am very pleased. I know I would not attempt to do it myself to save a couple hundred bucks, to much could go wrong.

Unless someone chimes in and say they have done it using the exact same product you can get and it came out o.k and it is durable, I would think twice about it.

Best of luck.

Bruce
 
#3 ·
Here is a bit of history: First on the scene were epoxy based products. They were not very durable, they cracked, peeled, etc. Then, ONE-part polyurethane products came along. One-part means that the polyurethane is suspended in a solvent. A catalyst is added which starts a chemical reaction that removes the solvent so that you have just polyurethane left. They were a significant improvement over epoxy based products. Examples of today’s one-part polyurethanes include Herculiner, Duplicolor, Durabak, and Speedliner. All of these are do-it-yourselfers and can be bought at a retail store except for Speedliner which has to be purchased through a dealer. The newest technology is TWO-part polyurethanes. Two-part means that a resin (usually a polyol resin) is mixed with isocyanate (a hardener) which renders the polyurethane. Two-part polyurethanes are harder and much more durable than one-part polyurethanes. Two-part polys are used on today’s boats, airplanes, etc. Examples of today’s products that have two-part polyurethanes include LINE-X and Rhino.

LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. Less moisture also means better adhesion. 3. Polyurea also makes for a harder liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that "cottage cheese" look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure gives it a very nice texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. However, the dealer can vary the texture. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents.

LINE-X is the only brand with a NATIONWIDE lifetime warranty.

I have researched the major brands of bedliners that are on the market and can most likely answer any questions.
 
#4 ·
I "KNEW" it would..."only be a matter of time"... before you found this thread, David! Sorry... a little private humor there. :D

In any case... TundraTRX... I'd listen "VERY" carefully to what 123Gone has said. I got into another "bedliner question" thread posted a month or so back now... and David and I went back-n-forth over "which" was the best spray-in liner. I had two friends in the business... one used Line-X while the other used Speedliner. At the time... I was "leaning" towards Speedliner and 123Gone... was trying his best to convince me his product (Line-X) was better. Ultimately though... GOD I HATE TO SAY THIS, or do I? Nah... I guess David deserves the recognition... he was right... "BIG TIME"! :rolleyes: :D I think you'll find this thread VERY informative and well worth your time to read.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29180

Bottom line is this... the "inital" cost "is" expensive.. yes... for a spray-in liner... but that... in reality... translates into... what I would "DEFINATELY" consider as a... "inital investment". Why... that's simple enough to answer... comparing ALL the research, which I did before choosing Line-X... Line-X is one of the few spray-in bedliner companys which "DOES" have a "lifetime" warranty! :tu: I believe Rhino also offers one. My buddy with the Speedliner product... on the other hand.... NEVER told me... "one way or the other"... "IF"... his product offered a lifetime warranty. I hounded him at the gym and through e-mail and... EVERY TIME I ASKED HIM... he literally... "ducked" the issue! :cool: So, "THAT'S" why, I chose Line-X! :tu:

If you go with a "do-it-yourself" bedliner... like Herculiner... well... if you "DO" end up with issues... the repairs and/or replacement... plus the cost... falls "SQUARELY" on "your" shoulders. An advantage with spray-in bedliners... is having a bedliner "dealer" who can "repair" a section of your bed "after" and accident... God forbid! Matter of fact... the day I had my truck sprayed... there was a Tacoma in for just that very reason. The best part is... I got to watch my buddy do the work... "from-start-to-finish"... and it "IS"... without doubt... a VERY interesting process to watch... first hand. :tu:

But hey... the fact is... this is... "your truck" and more importantly... "your money"! Having said that though... it seems... you watch your money very closely... as do I! :D So... before I'd make a decision... check into "ALL" your options. It may take you a little longer to "invest" in a spray-in liner... but... as I said... it "IS" an INVESTMENT... which... in the long run... will show a return! :tu: :D

Best of luck with you final decision...

Dave
 
#6 ·
I am getting my truck Line-X'ed today only because 123gone has that cool racing truck! :D

Seriously, I also have done extensive research, to include the above thread, and Line-X is my choice. I am cheap and a die hard to-it-yourselfer but I would NEVER attempt to do a spray-in bedliner. Usually with my projects, I screw them up the first time. So, I just re-do them (twice) or until I get it right. Its the fun of doing it yourself. That is OK if your performing a reversible process (i.e. installing an anti-sway bar) but but a spray-in bedliner.....is better left to the professionals.

Looking forward to spending the afternoon at the Line-X shop. Tonight I am drinking beer and sitting on the tailgate. :cool:

Scott

Oh, FYI - quoted price = $375 for under rail - $20 online coupon + tax. This is pretty standard from the 3 or 4 dealers that I called.
 
#7 ·
TundraTRX said:
I've recently priced a Line-X bedliner for my truck, and I was a bit shocked at the price. The local place wanted $408, after taxes and $20 discount to do it. That was a bit more than I expected. I have yet to get a price from the Rhinolinings place right up the street, but I expect it to be around the same price range. One thing I do know of is there is a do-it-yourself kit(s) available to do your own bedliner for about a fraction of the price (about half, including all materials/equipment required). I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these kits and has had good luck with it. Thanks in advance.
I have first hand experience playing around with a few of the DIY brands. I even coated a few pieces of my truck with them. I WOULD NOT advise using them for the bed. They are little more than speckle paint. In my case (check my photos) I use them to paint/repaint body panels that get nicked from driving in the Sierra snow and getting rock hits and as door sill protectors. Touch ups are a snap, but the material is not very durable They go on nicely, but are WAY TOO soft for a bedliner.

Stick with the professional installation, that way if the proverbial stuff hits the fan you have someone else who's responsible fro making it right. I have a drop in bedliner and I think I prefer that to the spray in jobs, because foru years later from hauling dirt, gravel, cinderblocks etc. The liner is cut and scraped but a new one can be dropped in easiler. With a spray in, you may need occasional touch ups. The thing I hate about the drop in is that about every two years I need to take it out and hose the bes down, not a problem with Line X or Rhino. But with a tonneau cover it ain't too bad.


If you've already decided to go spray in, please man, have it done professionally. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for...
 
#8 ·
Wow. I wasn't expecting to get this kind of unanimous response towards the Line-X materials. I've seen a lot of "press" and what I thought to be "hype" for the Line-X materials, but I thought someone might say "Oh, I tried it and loved it. My Mom has a friend who used a do-it-yourself kit and I believe it may've even been the Herculiner brand. She put it in a 2000 GMC Jimmy and one can barely covered the bed. You could see through it in spots. I thank everyone for the very helpful information, and the very informative chemistry lesson, 123Gone. I may need to get my sister-in-law the chemical engineer to explain it to me some ;-). All joking aside, I thank everyone for their help.
 
#9 ·
My Line-X was sprayed on this afternoon. It looks great. I'm very happy with the installation.

True to my word - It is now after midnight and I am drinking water adn taking motrin. Hopefully, tomorrow won't be too painful.


Scott :clown:
 
#10 ·
I was try to decide and was told the Line X is a flat black finish compared to a little shiner speedliner. And also the speedliner was stronger. It takes overnite to dry so most shops like the other brands that dry in a couple of hours and they have quicker turn around.
Any opinions on the speedliner?
Thanks
 
#11 ·
Speedliner is a one-part polyurethane, read my post above about one-part and two-part polys.

Speedliner used different ASTM (American Standard for Testing and Materials) tests than LINE-X and Rhino. So, you can't compare apples to apples. For example, LINE-X's tensile via ASTM D-2370 is 1,800 psi. Speedliner used test D-412 to show a tensile of 4,700. Speedliner used different tests on just about ALL of their tests, hmmm, wonder why (hint hint)? Fact is, Speedliner is a 100% polyurethane product like Rhino, Toff, Superliner, Perm Tech and 99% of the other liners on the market, except the others mentioned are two-part polys. LINE-X contains polyurethane and polyurea. The polyurea significantly enhances the physical properties. For example, polyurea raises the temperature tolerance to 250 degrees. 100% polyurethane products have a temperature tolerance from about 175 to 212. Note: Liners loose strength as the liner heats up.

Want more? LINE-X's tear strength via ASTM D-1004 is 304 lbs. (Rhino's is 145 lbs. via the same test), Speedliner used ASTM D-624 to show a tear strength of 856 lbs. Again, it's not the same test. What's the difference? ASTM D-624: Test Method for Tear Strength of Conventional Vulcanized Rubber and Thermoplastic Elastomers. ASTM D-1004: Test Method for Initial Tear Resistance of Plastic Film and Sheeting.

Speedliner is the only brand that I am aware of that has to glue their liner on. They have to spray an adhesive primer (glue) on the truck before they coat it with Speedliner. Speedliner takes 3 days to cure.
 
#12 ·
Uh.. Oh... here we go again... right David?! :D

Hey Rayh78,

As I stated eariler... in this thread... I have two friends in the spray-in bedliner business... one uses Line-X while the other uses the Speedliner product you're referring to. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not... but it did... offer me 2 options... and a "buddy discount" ;). At the time though... I too... was a believer in Speedliner and 123Gone... was trying his best to convince me the Line-X product was better. I think you'll find this thread VERY informative and well worth your time to read.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/foru...ead.php?t=29180

Granted... the "numbers" are better for Speedliner, but the simple fact is... the chance you'll EVER reach those tensile strength numbers in the bed of your truck... are vertually "nill". If you do... you'll end up with MUCH BIGGER problems than just scuffed bedliner product and/or a scuffed bed!

Anyway... my buddy with the Speedliner product... would NEVER come right out and inform me... "one way or the other"... "IF"... his product offered a lifetime warranty. I hounded his a$$ for almost 2 1/2 months over this... at the gym and even through e-mail and... EVERY TIME I ASKED HIM... he literally... "ducked" the issue! And IMPO... a LIFETIME WARRANTY... speaks for itself! :tu: So, since my buddy couldn't (or more than likely... wouldn't) give me an answer, as to the warranty with his Speedliner product... "THAT'S" why, "I" chose Line-X!!!

btw: on the day I had my buddy with Line-X do my truck... I found out through casual "BS" with him... while he was prepping my truck... that my "other buddy" with the Speedliner product... had been bringing his trucks to my Line-X buddy... to have "him" spray his fleet trucks. But my buddy with Speedliner wanted him to do it for virtually nothing. When my Speedliner buddy couldn't get the price he wanted from my Line-X buddy... he decided to go out and get his own franchise. Only problem was... my buddy with Line-X had bought the rights to a VERY large area... so... my buddy with Speedliner had NO ALTERNATIVE choice but, to buy into another spray-in bedliner product... hence... the reason he uses Speedliner. That said... it's fairly obvious now... that Speedliner wasn't his... "FIRST" choice! :cool:

My advice... you'd better check with whatever Speedliner dealer you're considering... and make "DAMN SURE" he offers a LIFETIME WARRANTY! ;) Otherwise, you might be better off to do what I did... and "convert" your thinking to... Line-X! :tu:

Dave
 
#13 ·
Line-X

I had Line-X sprayed on my 1993 Ranger in 1997 when I purchased the truck. I had gotten a deep gash on the top of the tailgate about 3 years later. Took it back and was repaired no charge in a couple of hours. Have since had over the rails done to my Tundra. You definitely get what you pay for. Better looks, better product and better guarrantee. :tu:
 
#14 ·
I went through the dealer to have the Line-X bedliner installed, quite expensive at roughly $650 but I feel it's worthnthe price. I bought 12 boxes of siding at 45 lbs a box, all of which was loaded on a pallet. The pallet was loaded on to my truck with a fork lift and since the fork lift couldn't place the pallet in the bed beyond the tailgate the forklift opperator pushed the pallet further into the bed. That was about 450 lbs sliding across the Line-X covering and there was no damage what so ever.
 
#15 ·
Line-X

Okay I DO NOT work for Line-X but I do like them.

My Line-X application (under the rails because of the bed caps) was $375 and looks SCHWEEET!!!

My brother has a Chevy POS that is 6 years old and has lava-lining. I don't know if this is DIY brand or not, but it looks ugly as heck. I looks like a thick chalky paint and has no gripping power. He says, "your truck will look like this 6 years". Somehow, I don't think so. I have seen older Line-X beds that are still really nice. I recommend Line-X.

Now If I could just find a nice toolbox..

John
 
#17 ·
John-O said:
I bought 12 boxes of siding at 45 lbs a box, all of which was loaded on a pallet. The pallet was loaded on to my truck with a fork lift and since the fork lift couldn't place the pallet in the bed beyond the tailgate the forklift opperator pushed the pallet further into the bed. That was about 450 lbs sliding across the Line-X covering and there was no damage what so ever.
I had a similar experience, but with a pallet of sod. The guy at the yard told me it weighed close to a ton (didn't have a clue myself). He did the same thing and pushed the pallet in about two feet, and you can't even see a mark in the bed:tu: . It did 'sand' down the pallet rails just a bit though :D .

Gotta say I love my Line-X.
 
#18 ·
JohnnyTheA said:
Okay I DO NOT work for Line-X but I do like them.

My Line-X application (under the rails because of the bed caps) was $375 and looks SCHWEEET!!!

My brother has a Chevy POS that is 6 years old and has lava-lining. I don't know if this is DIY brand or not, but it looks ugly as heck. I looks like a thick chalky paint and has no gripping power. He says, "your truck will look like this 6 years". Somehow, I don't think so. I have seen older Line-X beds that are still really nice. I recommend Line-X.

Now If I could just find a nice toolbox..

John
To keep your LINE-X always looking good as new: Pressure wash it with water, don't even need any soap, scrub it with a stiff brush to get it clean. Actually, I would say don't use ANY soap at all. (But, if you do, use automotive soap, but again, try not to use any soap.) Put some Just Once on it occasionally. (www.justonce.com). That's it. It will always look black and shiney. :tu:
 
#19 ·
PPG has recently developed a much tougher and durable product known as MILTOUGH. The military is now using it on HMWWVs and trucks often where heat tolerance is an issue. Don't know if it's available commercially yet, but Ford and Nissan are now using a very similar PPG product on their beds from the factory. Initial marketing was in Flint MI. Concerns with DIY kits is careful surface preparation, proper masking prior to application and that if you apply to the top rails of the bed, it's very difficult to get a clean edge (I'm told the pros use a piano wire imbedded in the masking tape). Finally, Polyurea products appear to be a better choice.
 
#20 ·
I have to jump on the Line-X bandwagon on this one. I have had it in 3 trucks now and wont ever pick anything else. In 2 cases, the original liner (rhino in one and herculiner in the other) had to be removed to install the Line-X. It has been the ONLY thing that has held up to the skags on my snowmachine. (just FYI, skags are high strength carbon steel blades on the bottom of snowmachine ski's so they are like metal knives with about 400lbs on them. Most companies wont honor warrantee work on a bedliner if you have had a snowmachine on it. Line-X is the only one that held up. Period. You get what you pay for.
 
#21 ·
Allow me to clarify a few things.

PPG's product has been out for years (I think since 2006). It is the Nissan "factory" bedliner and now it's being applied to SOME of the Ford F-250's (only). Miltough is NOT the bedliner product they are putting in these trucks, the product is called PPG Durabed.

LINE-X PAXCON is being applied to military Humvees, MRAPS produced by Force Protection, U.S. submarines, and PAXCON has been applied to portions of the U.S. Pentagon. LINE-X was the first to produce such a product. Rhino and now PPG have copied it to a certain degree. LINE-X XS-100 (used for bedliners) has been used to coat military bullet proof plates (worn on chest and back).

The do-it-yourself products have their place, but they are not as durable as professional products. Actually, they are not even close.

More information:

LINE-X on bullet proof plates.
http://www2.line-x.com/ns/news.html?NewsID=198

PAXCON on MRAPS.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS153744+30-Jan-2008+PRN20080130

General information on PAXCON as it relates to the military.
http://www.paxcon.com/user_pages/home_0.shtml?page=Home