Is this for real?

 

Sephiroth,

Whoever sponsors the test will come out on top and make the competitor look inferior, just like a political candidates' speech. Heck, even JD Power is paid by the company that hires it. When have you heard them say anything bad about a product they review?

I went with track record. Mine and Toyotas. I have had the big 3's trucks and some were OK, most were horrible. Based on reliability, resale and performance, I bought a Tundra. Not one regret with 8K miles. EVERYONE that rides it compliments it and I'm getting 19 mpg out of 381 hp. Nuff said.

Best of luck with whatever you buy.

KeyWasted

 

The frame strength must not mean much because from what I have heard every comparisson say the Tundra rides better then the F150 and tows better as well. I dont see where else the frame would matter.

 

Yup, Ford has a stiffer frame. Now lets look at the effect of that stiffer frame in the crash test. LMAO.... I will take the Tundra any day! Cheers

YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

 

Yup, Ford has a stiffer frame. Now lets look at the effect of that stiffer frame in the crash test. LMAO.... I will take the Tundra any day! Cheers

YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

BTW, here are crash test videos on the Tundra.

YouTube - 07 Toyota Tundra crash test (Regular Cab)
YouTube - 07 Toyota Tundra crash test

 

With all the "uhs" in his speech I'd have to say he has no idea what he is talking about. The two company's have a different theory on frame structure. Based on the crash test posted to this thread it looks like the Ford frame bent a lot more than the tundra. Looks like in a crash the Tundra is relying on its weight to put punishment on whatever it hits rather than dissipating the force through crumbling.

 

Sorry, but it is hard to believe that the guy has anything intelligent to say when every other word is "uh..".

Why not do what every other potential buyer does when coming to this forum and ask us how we love our trucks? I too looked at the other trucks and it was between the Chev and the Tundra. I went with the bigger back seat and the company with the reputation that would stand behind their product. I have had Fords, Chev, Nissan, and Toyota.

I had a new Ford Taurus that would just quit running every 80 or so when I came to a stop. Dealership had it 8 times and never admitted there was something wrong with it. I later found out (after getting rid of it) that Ford knew there was a problem. So I dont trust Ford.

As for my Tundra. No problems (20,000 miles) and it tows well. Other than some bed bounce that I hope Toyota admits, I love it.

 

I'm sure if Toyota wanted they could make 100 videos that will show there truck absolutely killing the f-150 is all kinds of ways....There is a reason why all my buddies with fords dodges now want a tundra after seeing mine. OHHH and also go ahead and get that ford...when you wanna sell it in my maybe 3 years have fun getting 10k for it. hahaha...Oh and another thing the new f-150 will have a whoping 10 more hp than the old style....cool...

 

BTW, here are crash test videos on the Tundra.

YouTube - 07 Toyota Tundra crash test (Regular Cab)
YouTube - 07 Toyota Tundra crash test

and here is actually 2007 f-150 crash test:
YouTube - Crash Test of 2007 Ford F-150 4-DR. SuperCab

 

So their definition of frame strength is suppose to prove what? I don't think I've seen one broke frame on a Tundra yet.

The idea of a box frame is good but just because a company touts that as the number one judgment factor for strength I would be a little leery.

If the frame was crap on the Tundra I don't think you would be able to put such a beefy rear end and be able to tow more then the competition.

 

So exactly what are the "real world" effects. I need to know because I was just about to strap 500lbs. of dumbbells to my front left tow hook.

 

Here's another one, that did pop up already but I'm taking a different approach. Every frame will vibrate and bounce with the harmonics in the road. Unfortunately, Toyota's frame will bounce and drive people up a wall enough to give it the deserving name, "bed bounce."

-rockstate

I've read a lot about people who have bed bounce. I have two Tundras a CrewMax and a RCSB and I have never experienced this. Now with my 4 door Dodge Dakota I would experience it but only on bumpy roads.

 

Martino, thanks for posting that video, it seems that many people on this site can't tell a difference between a head-on collision and off-center-head-on collision. Frame strength has nothing to do with collision - its the "energy absorbtion" factor which determine how safe the car is in a crash (given factors like speed, mass, and crash vector are constant).

Second, I would like to say to people is; stop being ignorant. If a guy says "ugh" it does not mean that he does not know what he is talking about - thats just a childish way of looking at it. Obviously he knows more that you. Also, Toyota is NOT the best truck in the world, and is NOT the most dependable. I'm sure most of you have not had problems with your truck, but, being a new model, there have been many problems for some people. I have had many unscheduled visits to the dealer about many little things:

- tailgate pin broke
- Oil filter seal failure
- 7pin hitch connector fried my whole circuitry because it wasn't setup right from the factory
- Many times are driving through heavy snow, my dash lights up like a x-mas tree and tranny shifts like someone is hitting the truck with a sledge hammer
- Some people have blown their engine and tranny
- Many people have had their tailgate deform
- Many people complain about the bouncing effect that upsets the truck and its passenger on the highway.

So, as you see, Toyota is not the best-coolest-truck on the market. Please please please, drop your ignorance and realize that the Tundra is not the center of the universe.

My 2 cents

 

Well I would rather drive around w/a little bed bounce (which I have not had) and weaker ?frame than sit home while my new Ford is in the shop again!!!

 

So, as you see, Toyota is not the best-coolest-truck on the market. Please please please, drop your ignorance and realize that the Tundra is not the center of the universe.

My 2 cents

Please forgive me as I usually try not to argue on the net, especially when it comes to defending the honor of my truck Your truck seems to be a lemon which is not unheard of from every car manufacturer.

Your use of the word ignorance is out of place as your problems with your Tundra is your basis for not being ignorant. You have an opinion, based on a bad experience,that happens to go against what others believe. That does not inherently make everyone else ignorant.

 

Please forgive me as I usually try not to argue on the net, especially when it comes to defending the honor of my truck Your truck seems to be a lemon which is not unheard of from every car manufacturer.

Your use of the word ignorance is out of place as your problems with your Tundra is your basis for not being ignorant. You have an opinion, based on a bad experience,that happens to go against what others believe. That does not inherently make everyone else ignorant.

:tu: well said :ts:

 

Well......mine must be the best, coolest, nicest....since I haven't had any issues with it.........unless I'm just plain ignorant.

I was always aware of the fierce loyalty to truck brands, but the outright hostility towards Toyota is amazing. Good thing we live in America where can make the choice. If you don't like my truck, don't buy one.......but quit wasting my time bashing it, and trying to pick a fight.

 

Look, I know that everybody here loves their Tundra, just like myself. Im not stickin up for Ford, but the first Ford test is completely different. Now if you look at the last Ford test, the vehicle held up pretty well. But nowhere does it state the speed at which these tests are being performed, so you cant tell if the tests are alike. Hey, just trying to be fair.

This one is of the Tundra in a full frontal test. (Note that the entire frontal area absorbed that impact):
YouTube - 07 Toyota Tundra crash test

This is the Ford in a partial frontal test. (As you can see only the driver side took the brunt of the impact):
YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

This one is the only one to compare with the Tundras full frontal test.
YouTube - Crash Test of 2007 Ford F-150 4-DR. SuperCab

 

Martino, thanks for posting that video, it seems that many people on this site can't tell a difference between a head-on collision and off-center-head-on collision. Frame strength has nothing to do with collision - its the "energy absorbtion" factor which determine how safe the car is in a crash (given factors like speed, mass, and crash vector are constant).

Second, I would like to say to people is; stop being ignorant. If a guy says "ugh" it does not mean that he does not know what he is talking about - thats just a childish way of looking at it. Obviously he knows more that you. Also, Toyota is NOT the best truck in the world, and is NOT the most dependable. I'm sure most of you have not had problems with your truck, but, being a new model, there have been many problems for some people. I have had many unscheduled visits to the dealer about many little things:

- tailgate pin broke
- Oil filter seal failure
- 7pin hitch connector fried my whole circuitry because it wasn't setup right from the factory
- Many times are driving through heavy snow, my dash lights up like a x-mas tree and tranny shifts like someone is hitting the truck with a sledge hammer
- Some people have blown their engine and tranny
- Many people have had their tailgate deform
- Many people complain about the bouncing effect that upsets the truck and its passenger on the highway.

So, as you see, Toyota is not the best-coolest-truck on the market. Please please please, drop your ignorance and realize that the Tundra is not the center of the universe.

My 2 cents

X100 on what you said above! However while I agree with most of your points above, it does sound as if you do have a lemon truck.

Zack

 

Ah, and wintergreen, those are two entirely different frames. I'm sure your vast knowledge of trucks gave that hint to you right away.

-rockstate

Cool frames, huh! You are welcome, anytime I can be of help. Go Tundra!!!

 

Yup, Ford has a stiffer frame. Now lets look at the effect of that stiffer frame in the crash test. LMAO.... I will take the Tundra any day! Cheers

YouTube - Crash Test Ford F150

Seriously, why are you posting videos from the previous generation Ford???

Trying to skew with deception is beyond weak.


As far as Ford being better built...............I call BS on that comment too.

Being that I own an F-250 Crew Cab I can put both the Toy and Ford side to side.

My Ford bed and front bed section is plenty dented from normal use.

If I slam the doors on both, the Ford skin will "wiggle".

I don't need to go into brake size or caliper /pistons.

Even Toy's ring gear is larger than the 3/4 ton Ford.

Frames are both C-channel under the bed.....the Ford has a much larger girth than the Toy.

Under the cab, Toy's C-channel is double walled vs single for the Ford.


I will never forgive Toyota for the tailgate issue......they had better make good just to save face in this market but that is one of the only things I've found where there is a glaring difference in strength between the 2.

Longevity/reliability is still on the table:

Ford: 2 transmissions in 70,000 miles

Toy: 0 defects in 8,000 miles.

 

What it really comes down to is those videos are marketing by ford. Toyota could make similar videos about fords, chevy's, dodge's, etc.
Look at it objectively and ask yourself how many 1/2 ton frames have you actually seen bend or break with normal use. The only way your going to damage a frame is by jumping the truck or in an accident.
Toyota decided to go with a different frame then the big 3 but in reality a fully boxed frame vs C-channel frame are just, different. The C-channel allows flex (Ford has brainwashed people to believe flex is bad) while the FBF is rigid. Both have their advantages.
Just going off of what I know about material strength, a rigid frame would be more prone to cracking at the welds in serious off-camber situations. A flexible frame would allow more flex which allows the steel to absorb more energy instead of transferring that energy to other less structurally sound components (like crossmember welds or suspension, maybe thats why ford needs hotdog size bolts to hold their leaf packs on?).

 

Seriously, why are you posting videos from the previous generation Ford???

Trying to skew with deception is beyond weak.


As far as Ford being better built...............I call BS on that comment too.

Being that I own an F-250 Crew Cab I can put both the Toy and Ford side to side.

My Ford bed and front bed section is plenty dented from normal use.

If I slam the doors on both, the Ford skin will "wiggle".

I don't need to go into brake size or caliper /pistons.

Even Toy's ring gear is larger than the 3/4 ton Ford.

Frames are both C-channel under the bed.....the Ford has a much larger girth than the Toy.

Under the cab, Toy's C-channel is double walled vs single for the Ford.


I will never forgive Toyota for the tailgate issue......they had better make good just to save face in this market but that is one of the only things I've found where there is a glaring difference in strength between the 2.

Longevity/reliability is still on the table:

Ford: 2 transmissions in 70,000 miles

Toy: 0 defects in 8,000 miles.

The thread is about stiffer frames and is not year limited, right?

 

Wow, this is a pretty great forum. I had no idea this place was so active. Sorry it took me so long to reply.

So most of you guys here seem to think the frame strength difference in the two is a non issue? It's good to hear that there are actually benefits to making a truck with a more flexible frame. Does anyone else have any more examples of that? Sure would be nice if Toyota had a site like thetruthabouttrucks.com so I could make a more direct comparison. I love knowing details like these, which is part of the reason I've always loved Toyota to begin with. There have always been lots of little things that Toyota seemed to do better than their American competition (not to mention the big things, aka Ford transmissions.)

These posts will probably end up being nothing more than cold feet for spending so much on a truck, as I plan to buy the limited. I am, however, still leaning on waiting for more Ford details and comparisons. The release is only a few months away and the car magazines will probably have a field day comparing all of these new trucks. I figure that the worst case scenario is I get an even better deal on my Tundra.

...come to think of it, the worst case scenario would be that I actually buy a Ford

 

Wow, this is a pretty great forum. I had no idea this place was so active. Sorry it took me so long to reply.

So most of you guys here seem to think the frame strength difference in the two is a non issue? It's good to hear that there are actually benefits to making a truck with a more flexible frame. Does anyone else have any more examples of that? Sure would be nice if Toyota had a site like thetruthabouttrucks.com so I could make a more direct comparison. I love knowing details like these, which is part of the reason I've always loved Toyota to begin with. There have always been lots of little things that Toyota seemed to do better than their American competition (not to mention the big things, aka Ford transmissions.)

These posts will probably end up being nothing more than cold feet for spending so much on a truck, as I plan to buy the limited. I am, however, still leaning on waiting for more Ford details and comparisons. The release is only a few months away and the car magazines will probably have a field day comparing all of these new trucks. I figure that the worst case scenario is I get an even better deal on my Tundra.

...come to think of it, the worst case scenario would be that I actually buy a Ford

This is actually one of the busiest forums that I have been too. You will find plenty of opinions on here .

I like the Tundra so much that I bought a second one. Please note that I am not a Fanboy of Toyota, but I have had trucks from the big 3 and I have been the most satisfied with the Toyota. With that I said I feel that each one of the manufacturers have a truck that I would buy and I think the newer models have definitely bumped up the quality and creature comforts.