[Tim4x4]

i was going to do the spacer lift but this thread changed my mind. thanks for making me spend more money on coilovers. lol

 

[jzaiden]

It takes a lot of force for a shock to snap like that. The truck had to have gone airborn for this to happen.

Was their any bumpstop spacers intalled?

This truck did not go "airborn" is is driven by a 50+ year old lady. Yes it was used on a dirt trail but not abused. The rest of the truck looks brand new. We have seen these same issues on trucks driven 100% on the street. We see bent shocks all the time and from time to time bent/twisted frames... The other issues include blown cv's and ball joints. Most of the issues we see are from full droop when the ball joints are in bind. This pictures was on a truck used just on the street.

 

[stone cookie]

Look at the size of that spacer !

 

[carde017]

So after reading on this thread and those alike...I realize that on a 2nd Gen Tundra (2011), you can use an above the coil spacer (LRO) or one of both (Toytec) or use the billstein 5100 lift without much problems to your ball joints. Is that correct? I am about to pull the trigger on my lift and just wanted to be sure. It is used for 100% on road driving only. Thanks

 

[YotaDan]

Your best bet is the 5100s. They are a better shock with bigger pistons, and better valving. Plus they allow you to lift the front, and will not have any issues, even if you do go off-road, like a Top-Spacer lift can cause.
Bilstein 5100 Front and Rear Shocks from Wheeler's Off-Road, Inc

 

[jzaiden]

Well here are a few more pictures of another Tundra with the same issue as the last one... This time it only had a 2" spacer. Also this truck had damage to the driver side CV and axle costing $750 to fix.

You can see in the picture the bottom part of the shock is smashed into the shock. This guy does not beat his truck hard offroad infact he just bought the truck about a month ago from a local dealer and had a local tire shop install a spacer because it was "cheap". He said this happened on the street going through a large dip in the road.

We see this all the time and hear from people how they are only driving on the street. PEOPLE DON'T CHEAP OUT ON YOUR BAD ASS TRUCK!!!!

You bought a Toyota because it is a QUALITY truck why put crap suspension under it that causes problems?

Well now he has a real pair of coilovers that will allow all the wheel travel and not cause issues.

 

[BillyTheKid]

It takes a lot of force for a shock to snap like that. The truck had to have gone airborn for this to happen.

Was their any bumpstop spacers intalled?

This truck did not go "airborn" is is driven by a 50+ year old lady. Yes it was used on a dirt trail but not abused. The rest of the truck looks brand new. We have seen these same issues on trucks driven 100% on the street. We see bent shocks all the time and from time to time bent/twisted frames... The other issues include blown cv's and ball joints. Most of the issues we see are from full droop when the ball joints are in bind. This pictures was on a truck used just on the street.

Its funny....you said the truck did not go "airborn" but you did not answer my question about the bumpstop spacers? Im just sayin.....

Well here are a few more pictures of another Tundra with the same issue as the last one... This time it only had a 2" spacer. Also this truck had damage to the driver side CV and axle costing $750 to fix.

You can see in the picture the bottom part of the shock is smashed into the shock. This guy does not beat his truck hard offroad infact he just bought the truck about a month ago from a local dealer and had a local tire shop install a spacer because it was "cheap". He said this happened on the street going through a large dip in the road.

We see this all the time and hear from people how they are only driving on the street. PEOPLE DON'T CHEAP OUT ON YOUR BAD ASS TRUCK!!!!

You bought a Toyota because it is a QUALITY truck why put crap suspension under it that causes problems?

Well now he has a real pair of coilovers that will allow all the wheel travel and not cause issues.

And here you post again about the same problem. And again i ask......were their any bumpstop drops or spacers installed? what about the driver side cv and axle damage? what was exactly damaged and how?

 

[jzaiden]

Its funny....you said the truck did not go "airborn" but you did not answer my question about the bumpstop spacers? Im just sayin.....




And here you post again about the same problem. And again i ask......were their any bumpstop drops or spacers installed? what about the driver side cv and axle damage? what was exactly damaged and how?

No there were no bumpstop lowering spacers installed, did they come with the kit??? NO!!!! And again I will tell you the axle CVs were damaged because the spacers allowed TO MUCH DROOP. Also why install spacers if you need to lower the stock bumpstops? You only have around 6" of travel stock. Now you install a 2" spacer at a 2:1 ratio taking away 4" of travel...giving you around 2" of wheel travel. Wonder why you have such a crappy ride with spacers? I wish people would get just 20% educated on what they are doing to their trucks.

Guys these spacers in most cases are pure junk and will just cause problems. It does not matter if the thing is driven by your grandma on the street 100% of the time. If parts bind then parts bind. This in no way is good and does cause damage.

I will keep posting pictures of damaged parts caused by spacers that are designed incorrectly. I really welcome the manufactures of these bad spacers to come on here and prove how there spacer is good for your truck. Most of them are selling you on the price you want to pay giving you the same look as a suspension done correctly that cost 5-8x more WAKE up people and do some homework!!! Learn a little before you end up spending more than a good suspension just fixing your truck...

 

[BillyTheKid]

No there were no bumpstop lowering spacers installed, did they come with the kit??? NO!!!! And again I will tell you the axle CVs were damaged because the spacers allowed TO MUCH DROOP. Also why install spacers if you need to lower the stock bumpstops? You only have around 6" of travel stock. Now you install a 2" spacer at a 2:1 ratio taking away 4" of travel...giving you around 2" of wheel travel. Wonder why you have such a crappy ride with spacers? I wish people would get just 20% educated on what they are doing to their trucks.

Guys these spacers in most cases are pure junk and will just cause problems. It does not matter if the thing is driven by your grandma on the street 100% of the time. If parts bind then parts bind. This in no way is good and does cause damage.

I will keep posting pictures of damaged parts caused by spacers that are designed incorrectly. I really welcome the manufactures of these bad spacers to come on here and prove how there spacer is good for your truck. Most of them are selling you on the price you want to pay giving you the same look as a suspension done correctly that cost 5-8x more WAKE up people and do some homework!!! Learn a little before you end up spending more than a good suspension just fixing your truck...

If you read back in your own post you did not specify how the cv was damaged but thanks for letting me know now. As for the ride....it was really comfortable with the "bad spacers" and D rated bfg at's i had on. Now that i have 35" trail grapplers i cant say the same. So the "bad spacers" really didnt have an effect on the ride quality. Thanks for your 100% educated outlook on this situation. But I tell you what....My uneducated ass will keep usin my truck with "bad spacers" and im sure everyone else's uneducated ass will keep runnin their "bad spacers" also.

 

[jzaiden]

If you read back in your own post you did not specify how the cv was damaged but thanks for letting me know now. As for the ride....it was really comfortable with the "bad spacers" and D rated bfg at's i had on. Now that i have 35" trail grapplers i cant say the same. So the "bad spacers" really didnt have an effect on the ride quality. Thanks for your 100% educated outlook on this situation. But I tell you what....My uneducated ass will keep usin my truck with "bad spacers" and im sure everyone else's uneducated ass will keep runnin their "bad spacers" also.

Ha ha your funny. You can sit in denial all you want but the fact is when running a spacer that just pushes your stock strut down you are losing wheel travel, causing parts to bind, and doing nothing for better ride quality on or off road. Like I said you can try to justify it all you want. But in the end you will just be spending more money to fix your truck then put the correct parts on later wishing you would have opened your eyes in the first place.

Rant on...

CV's were damaged by little metal parts breaking off inside the CV joint causing the whole thing to start making tons of noise on the street. He thought the noise was something else. Then the customer found out the hard way when he tried to use his truck in 4x4 and got stuck because the whole thing broke. When the spacers let the suspension droop to far the axle binds. When these trucks are moving the 4x4 axles are always moving with the truck. Logic tells me when it is binding and turning there will be damage... lol

 

[mdwaller]

So does this pertain only to 4X4's? This whole topic still bothers me. In fact, I could have got out cheaper doing the Bilstiens!

 

[BillyTheKid]

Ha ha your funny. You can sit in denial all you want but the fact is when running a spacer that just pushes your stock strut down you are losing wheel travel, causing parts to bind, and doing nothing for better ride quality on or off road. Like I said you can try to justify it all you want. But in the end you will just be spending more money to fix your truck then put the correct parts on later wishing you would have opened your eyes in the first place.



Rant on...



CV's were damaged by little metal parts breaking off inside the CV joint causing the whole thing to start making tons of noise on the street. He thought the noise was something else. Then the customer found out the hard way when he tried to use his truck in 4x4 and got stuck because the whole thing broke. When the spacers let the suspension droop to far the axle binds. When these trucks are moving the 4x4 axles are always moving with the truck. Logic tells me when it is binding and turning there will be damage... lol

Why would you even trrryyyyyy to justify a spacer lift when you work for camburg? I bet you would be more than happy to help someone purchase a set of camburg c/o's and uca's though.

 

[BillyTheKid]

This whole topic still bothers me.

I would have never known.

Now I wonder/worry about everything.

 

[DevinSixtySeven]

So does this pertain only to 4X4's? This whole topic still bothers me. In fact, I could have got out cheaper doing the Bilstiens!

No, it applies to any vehicle with independent suspension. Honestly, the basic principles apply to any vehicle regardless of suspension...nothing may bind at any point in the suspension cycle, or at any steering angle, lock to lock. That is a hard rule, breaking it means breaking the truck. Not all manufacturers are willing to take the time to test their products, or include necessary adjustments to the bump or droop limit when their products violate that first rule of suspension design and modification.

Why would you even trrryyyyyy to justify a spacer lift when you work for camburg? I bet you would be more than happy to help someone purchase a set of camburg c/o's and uca's though.

I'm sure he would be.

Keep the following in mind, though.

First off, I have no reason to blow sunshine up anyone's ass at Camburg. I get the same deals as anyone else, the same lead time, the same customer service, and they're too far away to drink with.

Second, I run Camburg parts on my truck. I had a choice...could've bought from one of their competitors. I spent a long time on the phone and a long time under my truck...the best product happened to be from Camburg, so I went with it. In other words, they didn't offer me a deal (at least, that I'm aware of), they were no more or less helpful than their competitors, they just design and build parts that work.

Third, their parts are engineered. Somebody takes the time to make sure they'll work with what's already on the truck, rather than against it. That alone is a major difference from almost every spacer manufacturer.

Fourth, while there may be a perceived conflict of interest in a suspension system manufacturer calling out flawed spacer kits, the information is still factually correct.

Finally, jumping is hardly required to top out the suspension. Just hit a g-out at speed...for example, like you might do if you didn't realize it was there.

If you've cycled your suspension, and you've verified that nothing binds, congratulations...you've purchased a spacer kit that won't damage your vehicle. Until you've performed that basic test, anything you're claiming is simply conjecture.

-Sean

 

[mdwaller]

"If you've cycled your suspension, and you've verified that nothing binds, congratulations...you've purchased a spacer kit that won't damage your vehicle. Until you've performed that basic test, anything you're claiming is simply conjecture.

-Sean"

Probably the best post I've seen on this thread. I have convinced myself, along with 3 local shops, that I will never know until I use the kit with my driving habits. Since we all have different driving habits, we will all get different results?

Anyway, I did show this thread to one of the shops and the 1st thing he pointed out was the fact that most of the negative pics and posts about spaces were by a Camburg dealer.

Then he proceeded to bash Bilstein 5100's and sell me a set of Rancho shocks :noidea: for a better ride

 

[jzaiden]

"If you've cycled your suspension, and you've verified that nothing binds, congratulations...you've purchased a spacer kit that won't damage your vehicle. Until you've performed that basic test, anything you're claiming is simply conjecture.

-Sean"

Probably the best post I've seen on this thread. I have convinced myself, along with 3 local shops, that I will never know until I use the kit with my driving habits. Since we all have different driving habits, we will all get different results?

Anyway, I did show this thread to one of the shops and the 1st thing he pointed out was the fact that most of the negative pics and posts about spaces were by a Camburg dealer.

Then he proceeded to bash Bilstein 5100's and sell me a set of Rancho shocks :noidea: for a better ride

Just to make things clear. I am not a Camburg dealer. I am the OWNER of Camburg. I am not here to sway people into our products. I am here to educate you guys why and what is better for your truck. I am not making things up or spreading lies. I am just showing you guys/gals every time we take off a spacer kit the damage that is caused by them. You can take it for what it is worth. But the facts are facts. You can chose to see them or ignore then. Remember that saying... "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it".

Now if you want to learn great! If not then to bad for you.. lol

I am hear to tell you we sell Bilstein, FOX, Camburg, and ICON. All of these products will not hurt your truck or parts on your truck. These suspension companies all make a very well thought out tested product. All made in the USA. Not some half baked product just so you can fit larger tires and go on your way made in china junk.

If you have a spacer lift on your truck I invite you, to bring your truck into our shop for free we will look at your suspension with you and see if you have an issue or not.

 

[jzaiden]

Why would you even trrryyyyyy to justify a spacer lift when you work for camburg? I bet you would be more than happy to help someone purchase a set of camburg c/o's and uca's though.

I could justify a spacer if it was designed correctly. Maybe we should design a correct spacer? Is there such a thing? Sure.. You just would not be happy with the small amount of lift it would get you. This is why the Bilstein is the best way to go! All the benefits of the spacer and none of the negatives. You will get the lower snap ring adjustment acting like a spacer. but you get the better valving and correct length so your parts don't get damaged.

Why don't you bring your truck into our shop and I will walk you through your suspension and show you what is going on.

 

[stone cookie]

I've done the drop-bracket lift... I've done the spacer lift... I've done the spacer lift in conjunction with a drop-bracket lift...

I can tell you it's good for getting the truck higher - at the expense of ride comfort, off road and on road performance, and increased wear on suspension. Plainly, the negatives far offset the few inches gained in clearance. - a lesson learned after spending roughly $3000 more than I should have on my Gen1 Tacoma.

When I purchased my Tundra, my intended use dictated the need for increased ground clearance and off road performance without sacrificing my comfort during the M-F commute. Sure, my suspension costed 10X more than a set of cheap spacers - but why skimp on suspension components when putting them on a truck that costs over 20K? My Camburg UCAs and Bilstein 5100s are the perfect combination - I get driving comfort and the confidence knowing the suspension components are UPGRADES to the truck (as opposed to spacers, which actually hurt the truck's performance on and off the road).

 

[Craigmier]

How does the procomp 6" stage 1 lift stack up, stage 2 has the coilovers.

 

[stone cookie]

How does the procomp 6" stage 1 lift stack up, stage 2 has the coilovers.

On what kind of truck? The only difference between the stage I and the stage II is the coilovers up front (vs. pro-comp ES series struts), and MX-6 adjustable shocks out back (vs. ES series shocks). Same geometry, same lift, same everything else.

I did find that the ES struts on the stage I for the Gen1 Taco had a shorter stroke than OE - Although I have no true measurements to offer you, it felt the truck's articulation was less than stock.